In my shocked photo!

Don't worry, Nigel. We'll always be fake as long as we disagree with anything Joey says.
I'm just going to go about my life being me, and I believe Lauren has that same right to be herself without being attacked.

Um excuse me Bree. Whenever people said something about my modeling pictures that is relevant to the modeling, I embrace it. For some fucking reason people think that I can't take negative criticism. I have heard it before and it doesn't phase me...I take into consideration everything people say about the pictures. But when someone judges the pictures based on their opinions of me, THAT'S when I get pissed. It's not that I can't handle attacks on my personality (I've been berated on the IMDB boards for over two years now and I haven't left, doesn't that say something about me being able to handle people saying things about me?) it's that I hate when I ask for one thing and get another, that's what pisses me off. It's not the insults themselves...I could care less what people say about me on here. I really don't give a fuck. If you want to trash my pictures, I could give two shits. I'm an aspiring model who has to hear that kind of stuff and it doesn't phase me at all. I hate my personality influencing people's opinion of the pictures. I never EVER said anyone can't say anythign negative about me. I'd like you to personally quote me saying anything about people not being able to say anything negative about my pictures...I never said that. And when people do say things like that, I actually defend myself because I'm capable of doing that. I have a backbone. I don't pretend to be a saint to avoid conflict. I speak what's on my mind.

And Bree, if Saleisha read something like "oh my god she's so freaking annoying! <3 *** " do you think she'd be happy with that? And you can't tell me that's the worst that the insults for ANTM girls get on here. People say far worse things about those girls. The difference is that here people are too big of pussies to actually say negative things about people because they're afraid of this type of backlash. God forbid anyone say anything about someone we all know on here because then we're just evil people. No, that makes us bold and not afraid to say what's on our minds.

that's point is irrelevant here though.
none of us have ever said anything about your pictures, if anything, we're the ones who say nice things.

Oh shit Nigel you know i Love you too! I forgot to put your name...

But for God's sake Bree, here you go again. I DID NOT ATTACK LAUREN. I simply made a blunt statement. It could have been over with if she had at least defended herself of said she was going to stop complaining. It's not like I outright insulted her...I said if she kept saying stuff like that it could have possibly been used against her for not being confident at judging panel. How is that attacking someone? And no, people have their rights to different opinions, I'm not trying to get everyone to think like me, I'm just saying everyone needs to loosen up and let go of the saintly image you are the patron of and start being REAL.

So I guess you're all not allowed to say things about De because you really don't know her. If anything, you're saying that no one is allowed to differ from YOUR opinions that everyone should be goody-two-shoes towards each other, because when someone like me comes along and says something that challenges the "good" image everyone has on here, I'm attacked. You are the hypocrite, Bree.

I know that, Nigel, but the thing is that I never would say anything like "you're not allowed to say anything bad about my pictures". I welcome criticism...that's why I post them sometimes. Because I don't say "SAY REALLY NICE THINGS ABOUT MY PICTURES!" I always say "What do you guys think?"

Okay, but Joe, YOU'RE different from Lauren. I mean, it sounds sickeningly preschoolish, but everyone handles things differently, and we all have a RIGHT to handle things differently.
You can put up with personal insults, well, that's fine. Lauren feels like it's very personal (and it is, kind of). You're not young or stupid, so you should know by now that you can't just tell people to feel the way you feel and handle problems the way you handle poblems. If this were school, or the workplace, or the military or something, then yes, maybe you could rightfully say to someone "stop being such a baby and suck it up." We ARE here for fun, so wouldn't it just make things run a lot more smoothly if you ignored when she said something that pissed you off?

i agree with bree.
and i have proof. remember when you got mad that people were treating marjorie and elina a different way? and you posted that thread about how people are assholes?
i said something like "just stop caring" and you were all "it's not that easy. i can't just stop"
it's basically the same thing.

and you made it seem like she was just making a post to complain. She was just talking about her photoshoot, its not a big deal.

I dont understand how everything she says translates into complaining

Yes, I do remember the Elina post and I'm starting to reconsider what I said to Lauren and I apologize...but I still don't think it should have been treated as me attacking her, which I wasn't. I just went a little overboard when people start accusing me of something we're all guilty of.

Yes it is for fun, and I apologize, but I'm not going to sugar coat anything and you guys know that.

urgeandscurge wrote:lauren, is your avatar your shocked photo?
you don't really look like you're laughing or have to shit.
i'm thinking a half retarded cillian murphy/dark crystal muppet.

Oh and thats not attacking someone right???

Karasu, did those words come out of my mouth? No. They didn't. I'm speaking for myself here.

Ok but im just saying that this argument didnt start over nothing

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Hey Karasu, we DID get an apology, let's just shake hands and leave it at that, shouldn't we?

Karasu, that's totally irrelevant to what I was talking about. I'm not speaking for De, I'm speaking for myself and the things that started to be directed towards me over something De said.

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Bree-lin' in the Years wrote:Hey Karasu, we DID get an apology, let's just shake hands and leave it at that, shouldn't we?

Ok ill stop for the sake of the board

Oh my GOD you guys are so fucking lame. No, don't stop for the sake of the board, if you have something to fucking say then fucking SAY IT.

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NOW I'll go back and read all this "back-n-forth". I hate having to read drama before it's over...it gives me a headache trying to keep up Thanks guys!

No i actually dont have anything to say to you.

Ughhh you're such a pussy.

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Joey and Karasu, I think you guys may BOTH like arguing a bit too much (but at least Karasu's restaining himself here).
Let's just clean-slate it, shall we?

MillaJJoey wrote:Ughhh you're such a pussy.

funny, i bet you wouldent say that if you met me in person